Conversation01 on Twitter @keepstream w/ @kentpalmer & @KenoNitro http://keep.la/iEbPnM Archived

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Conversation01 Updated on Twitter @kenoNitro on @keepstream w/ @kentpalmerhttp://keep.la/iEbPnM

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Conversation01: on @keepstream about Ontology w/ @artintelbot, @kentpalmer & @KenoNitro http://keep.la/iEbPnM #philosophy http://kdp.me

posted at 08:46:20

Or see works on Reflexive Autopoiesis at http://bit.ly/k8yIjO these works explain differences between AL/AI/AS @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 08:39:28

For explanation of the Meta-levels of Being see my work "The Fragmentation of Being and the path beyond the Void" @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 08:36:41

Emergent Hierarchy among beings is different than Meta-levels of Being in Ontology discovered in Continental Phil @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 08:34:47

@kenoNitro Being/beings = Ontology/ontic. "Being" is not the same as beings, eventities. Heidegger's work is based on this presupposition.

posted at 08:31:17

@KenoNitro GTrans: The ontological level is that of being phenomenal in itself, the ontological level, the investigation of Being/Heidegger

posted at 08:27:51

@KenoNitro #knp so again - language barriers #kdp Terminology always an issue. Heidegger defines Ontic/Ontological Difference :#philosophy

posted at 06:57:11

@KenoNitro @knp still not sure if talking on different things or with different perspectives #kdp Both. #philosophy

posted at 06:40:52

@KenoNitro http://bit.ly/ezCuwE #knp NatureInfoArch #kdp For more info see http://archonic.net http://emergentdesign.net http://think.net

posted at 06:36:27

@KenoNitro http://bit.ly/ezCuwE #knp NatureInfoArch #kdp But it is the Ontological Hierarchy that allows them to be seen in the first place.

posted at 06:35:00

@KenoNitro http://bit.ly/ezCuwE #knp NatureInfoArch #kdp I will accept any reasonable ontic hierarchy validated by science. http://kdp.me

posted at 06:34:11

@KenoNitro http://bit.ly/ezCuwE #knp NatureInfoArch #kdp We are talking about different things. Ontic emergent hierarchies is not an issue

posted at 06:24:32

@KenoNitro http://bit.ly/ezCuwE #knp Nature Info Arch #kdp The ontological is what we project as Timespace synthetic a priori in Kant .

posted at 06:16:20

@KenoNitro http://bit.ly/ezCuwE #knp Nature Info Arch #kdp Ontic and Ontological Hierarchies are different. The Ontic found in nature.

posted at 06:14:15

@KenoNitro http://bit.ly/ezCuwE #knp Information architecture of Nature #kdp I am talking about the ontological hierarchy #philosophy

posted at 06:10:58

@KenoNitro http://bit.ly/ezCuwE #knp what Information architecture of Nature looks like #kdp This is ontic emergent hierarchy #philosophy

posted at 06:09:41

@kenoNitro Thanks for your responses to my ideastream. I sent them to you cause you retweeted my G+ answer. Thanks http://kdp.me #philosophy

posted at 06:00:43

My post on G+ talks about difference between "AI consciousness" and our consciousness. @kenoNitro #philosophy http://bit.ly/iejPo9

posted at 05:55:43

Between Reflexive Social Special System 'AS' and Meta-system exists Wild Being of Merleau-Ponty explored by Deleuze. @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:44:54

Speech on the other hand is rooted in Process Being, and leads to Logocetrism of culture, so Derrida says @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:41:54

Thus writing of Language which represents concepts has nature of Hyper Being (DifferAnce) as pointed out by Derrida @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:40:42

Hyper Being at trace level, so is non-representable. No Social Consciousness continuity , but cognition of concepts. @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:38:54

Hyper Being is the nature of the Software Artifact. @kenoNitro #philosophy See Wild Software Meta-systems http://bit.ly/k8yIjO http://kdp.me

posted at 05:34:14

Merleau-Ponty named Hyper Being calling it the Hyper-Dialectic between Heidegger's Being and Nothingness of Sartre @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:29:37

Between AI and AS is Hyper Being called by Derrida DifferAnce (differing/Deferring); Heidegger's Being crossed out,@kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:27:56

Between AL and AI is dynamic timespace where stable processes unfold, called Process Being = Heidegger ready-to-hand @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:24:18

Autopoietic Systems are self-producing maintaining their own viability homeostatically with stable boundaries . @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:21:18

Reason looks at phenomena encountered by Sense Certainty: views from a distance = source of philosophical reflection @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:17:48

Autopoietic systems of Maturana and Varella are closed and inherently cognitive, hence AI emergent attribute. @kenoNitro #philosophy

posted at 05:13:59

Process Being is Heraclitian flux > between AL (dissipative ordering structures) and AI (Autopoietic systems) @kenonitro #philosophy

posted at 05:11:55

Pure Being is the projected a priori plane of immanence, or screen, on which Sense Certainty encounters phenomena @kenonitro #philosophy

posted at 05:02:17

A-LIfe models negative entropy Dissipative Ordering Structures (Prigogine) Emergent Properties are self-organized. @kenonitro #philosophy

posted at 04:59:20

Difference in normal System's emergent properties and AL is Pure Being of Parmenides; Heidegger = present-at-hand @kenonitro #philosophy

posted at 04:54:58

Given isomorphism between Special Systems Levels and Emergent Levels of AL, AI, AS, we know meta-levels of Being. @kenoNitro @philosophy

posted at 04:40:25

AL is AI is AS. Artificial Life, Intelligence and Society. These emergent levels addressed by Special Systems Theory @kenonitro #philosophy

posted at 04:37:43

Artificial Society simulations attempt. using Agents. to emulate Social Life which is Spirit in Hegel. @kenoNitro #philosophy http://kdp.me

posted at 04:34:56

Artificial Life attempts to emulate Natural Intelligence of Living Organisms, i.e. Hegel's Sense Certainty @kenonitro #philosophy

posted at 04:32:43

Artificial Intelligence attempts to emulate Reflective Reason, i.e. Self-Consciousness in Hegel. #philosophy #AI @kenonitro http://kdp.me

posted at 04:30:25

@KenoNitro #philosophy Each is in your statement "is" a different kind of Being. AI is NI is CI ."IS" means different things in each!

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